Reply To: Siamese Dream colored vinyl; 3 pressings or more? You judge.

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about the pressings…

technically normally you’re able to distinguish between pressings by the matrix codes changing which happens as the moulds/matrixes wear out over time of use and new ones are made, changing the often hand written/scatched codes around the label to the new matrix id.

however – with the SD vinyls that doesn’t seem to be the case – can someone verify all colours carry the same matrix/scratch codes?

now – what DA tried to do and i think he was correct there, was distinguish between technically not different pressings as such, but different press runs. you see – SD sells out on vinyl, demand is still huge, the record is still a success so they need to press up more copies. now that’s when apart from the deep red/purple ones, the much lighter copies started to turn up; so that’s clearly a moment for a different press run, same goes for the even lighter salmon/pink/orange ones and now the black (non-HUT) Caroline press.

now within a press run colours always differ, some more, some less; i’ve seen a translucent purple copy once and that looked stunningly cool!!! but there are also near non-translucent and totally non-translucent purple copies. it all depends on how much colour was added to the basically colourless wax the vinyls are pressed with. marble scattering is the same, it’s just applied by hand, so sometimes it’s more, sometimes it’s less.

and just like with the Tristessa 7\" not cleaning the moulds when switching colours leads to scattered fragments of for example deep orange in a salmon light pink copy – or several grey Tristessa’s while they were applying the black wax.

also: it’s not uncommon to see colours change in one press run altogether. it’s pretty well documented several hardcore outfits (and i’d have to look into my collection which) use several colours and even name these on the release, because of the availibility of the colour; from the top of my head: there’s an LP naming: 1 copy on brown/orange, 2 on orange, 5 on brown swirl, 52 on green and 340 on silver transparant or something like that; these guys just took what they found and made the best out of it. for a major league act like TSP this is not a matter of trying to do something pretty cool for the fans but running out of deep orange with the press run order pressing down upon you and switching to a lighter wax or a different one to say the least.

plus: translucent vinyl or transparant vinyl doesn’t have the same density as black or solid vinyl; that’s why black or solid (virgin – not the record company!) vinyl is most likely to sound a lot better, bear in mind when pressed on high weight vinyl!!! with SD the difference isn’t that big, but i still think PI sounds rather thinnish on the yellow LP and i’d love to have and hear a black copy of it, so if someone has a spare or can trace one down, i’m in! bad example and cool to compare – Cherub Rock on 7\" when compared to the SD version sounds like shit, when compared to the 12\" version the last one eve blows the LP out of the water in terms of sound. same applies to the MACHINA LP when compared to the heavy WL 12\" of SIYL. so weight and material does matter; picture discs are also always transparant vinyl with a sheet of paper wedged in between; hence: Aenima by TOOL (on black heavy wax) sounds awesome, Lateralus (a PD) doesn’t sound too great – but then again, there are so many issues at stake when making a vinyl (for example dumping the cd master to lp or creating a totally new mastermix?! – check NIN – The Fragile comparison to the cd and i just bought the NIN Year Zero 2LP which again has a completely different mix that sounds so much better on vinyl!!!! for example: the new Arcade Fire LP is just the main cd mix on wax, cool and all and sounds great, but when you know what you’re doing like NIN clearly was and i suspect TSP was at least with MACHINA (as that LP does feature some heavy duty bass i just cannot detect on the cd – the needle of a perfectly balanced tone arm nearly jumps out on TEG!!!) and of course with the warm, >