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Topic: Disarm UK vs. US

This topic contains 24 replies, has 2,358 voices, and was last updated by Profile photo of Sven Sven 7 years, 9 months ago.

On Sven wrote:

http://www.spfreaks.com/?page=COLLDETAILS&item=142

I think this listing should be split up into two different ones: a UK version (HUTCD43) and a US version (HUT 43). These are CLEARLY different.

I think the UK one came out first as an import to the states, and then they reissued the US version due to popular demand.

Thoughts? If we are in agreement, I’ll change it in the database.

in my time of dying
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On manillascissor wrote:

in my time of dying
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On Arthur wrote:

Obviously 2 different releases indeed, and all your assumptions are true, if you ask me…

Billy Corgan, December 2, 2008 : "Not everyone understands our death trip. But you do. And that's what matters."
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On manillascissor wrote:

Arthur
I was browsing eBay and both of these were readily available for less than $10, if you wanted to update your collection.

I’ll change the database.

Thanks!

in my time of dying
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On Anonymous wrote:

Correct me if I’m wrong, most UK and US items will mostly be quite different, no matter what… Unless it’s an import from the other country of course. :)

I gave a pile of US stuff away some years ago, silly – silly mistake. :(

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On manillascissor wrote:

Actually, I’m having some trouble with this one. The UK that already exists on the site has different matrix codes than the ones I have. WTF?

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On Anonymous wrote:

My UK one’s:

UK: HUTDX 43

If yours is the same, then I’ll just guess at it being a genuine UK release.

I would have had the US one too, of course. :) :roll:

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On manillascissor wrote:

I think there are two US versions.

in my time of dying
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On Anonymous wrote:

Confusing one. :?

I can’t be sure where mine originated – and just realised you said yours was different to both! – although I’m certain it was from a local (near London) shop.

Looks like you might have another ‘exotic’ one. :wink:

Hopefully Cake might have seen this sort of thing before, I’m sure it’ll soon sort. :twisted:

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On manillascissor wrote:

My UK one’s:

UK: HUTDX 43

If yours is the same, then I’ll just guess at it being a genuine UK release.

I would have had the US one too, of course. :) :roll:[/quote:2bhqjs87]

HUTDX 43 is the black front, yes?

in my time of dying
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On Sven wrote:

http://www.spfreaks.com/?page=COLLDETAILS&item=142

I think this listing should be split up into two different ones: a UK version (HUTCD43) and a US version (HUT 43). These are CLEARLY different.

I think the UK one came out first as an import to the states, and then they reissued the US version due to popular demand.

Thoughts? If we are in agreement, I’ll change it in the database.[/quote:3flzerpm]

i’d say: update the database… :)

indeed: the UK-singles re-released in the US.

technically and basically making these: a different release.

i’d never noticed the marked difference in appearance: thanks for pointing this out!

this is what SPFC has to say on this release: http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/disc … scog_id=14

the same applies to the singles for: Cherub Rock and Today by the way: also re-released in the US, following the initial UK release.

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On Anonymous wrote:

Yessir, that’s correct for my one here.

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On manillascissor wrote:

don’t know why, but there appears to be one UK release, two US releases. :? :? :? :? :? :? :?

2 drunk to deal w/ this right now. will address tomorrow. :D

in my time of dying
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On manillascissor wrote:

Ok, so I’ve updated the original UK release, here: http://www.spfreaks.com/?page=COLLDETAILS&item=142

That one is pretty cut and dry. Over and done with. Now for the US version(s).

There are two types, one with mirrored matrix codes and one w/o. And the matrix codes are 100% different.

MIRRORED MATRIX CODE:
NON-MIRRORED MATRIX CODE:

in my time of dying
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On Cool As Ice Cream wrote:

bump for later.

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On manillascissor wrote:

Anyone actually have the Today/Cherub Rock singles pressed in the US? Neither one are on this site. You’d think since they were mass produced for easy access in the US, they’d be all over the place, but I’ve never seen either.

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On Arthur wrote:

Exactly my problem… :cry:

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On Cool As Ice Cream wrote:

and don’t forget about the i am one single. according to spfc.org it also got an american re-release in 1994, just like the three disarm singles. (no american release is mentioned for peel sessions though.)

i’ve been looking everywhere, but i don’t think i ever found any US single, except for the disarm one. i can’t remember right now, but it’s not impossible that i have two different copies. i’ll check later.

i always thought it was just hard to find a copy, because sellers on ebay hardly ever mention (correct) information about where the cd has been released. but maybe these US releases don’t exist, or maybe they’re just very rare, despite what spfc.org says.

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On Cool As Ice Cream wrote:

i also have two different us disarm singles. the matrix code is completely different.

one cd has:

SP 1-1-5 EMI JAX
HUT00043-01 09-27-94
ifpi 163D[/quote:2u9230or]
the other one has:

123548-C1-4070-2 DISCTRONICS USA **HUT48**
R[/quote:2u9230or]
note how it actually says HUT48 and not HUT43!

reminds me of the two different american pressings of lull.
http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=2065
http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … S&item=267

and i double checked, and i can confirm that i don’t have any american i am one, cherub rock or today cd singles. just disarm. i remember looking for these, but never finding any.

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On manillascissor wrote:

awesome. thanks for your help bram!

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On EAZYE121 wrote:

Here is what I have in terms of US releases:

Peel Session \"Mastered by EMI MFG. HUT00017 2-1-2\"

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On manillascissor wrote:

Thanks Eazy.

This, I think, is shedding some new light on the matter. Now I have to go see which ones I have. :shock:

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On Cool As Ice Cream wrote:

so they do exist. :shock:
highly interesting.
thanks, eazye.

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On manillascissor wrote:

Ok… then I have 2 different Today Singles that I don’t know if they are both from UK (One has a made in Holland sticker)

Today "Mastered by Nimbus HUTCD 37"

Today "EMI Swindon 1:1:1 2 810564"
[/quote:1y3z7hx4]

The one with EMI Swindon I think usually indicated a UK pressing. EMI Uden is associated with Holland. However, it could have been pressed in the UK for release in NL. Not sure how to tell.

But to me, these both scream UK antecedents.

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On Sven wrote:
Ok… then I have 2 different Today Singles that I don’t know if they are both from UK (One has a made in Holland sticker)

Today "Mastered by Nimbus HUTCD 37"

Today "EMI Swindon 1:1:1 2 810564"
[/quote:3q0cutxn]

The one with EMI Swindon I think usually indicated a UK pressing. EMI Uden is associated with Holland. However, it could have been pressed in the UK for release in NL. Not sure how to tell.

But to me, these both scream UK antecedents.[/quote:3q0cutxn]

Swindon = in the UK > pure: UK pressing…

Uden = in The Netherlands > pure: NLD (Dutch) pressing…

at least:
that’s as far as my ‘logic’ goes, right?!—

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