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Topic: French Mellon Collie CD

This topic contains 13 replies, has 1,575 voices, and was last updated by Profile photo of Arthur Arthur 9 years, 4 months ago.

On Arthur wrote:

Anyone have a Mellon Collie CD that says \"Made in France\" on the actual CD? I think I’ve seen one before, but it’s not on the site.

Not the promo, a commercial release.

in my time of dying
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On Cool As Ice Cream wrote:

i have it. the cds say \"made in france\", but i think the inserts say \"printed in holland\".

this one is actually on the top of my to-scan-for-spfreaks list. it’s a funny coincidence that you make this thread right now.

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On manillascissor wrote:

Awesome!

I was hoping someone would step forward that owned it. I’ve heard of it before, and I’m really interested in those scans. I’ve never seen one for sale, but then again, I think most people would fail to notice that the CD was different from what is printed on the insert.

Do you know any other FR printed CDs? Minus promos/singles? It’s weird to me that FR (Delabel) went nuts with promos, but Virgin/Hut never printed commercial album releases in FR.

No FR Gish, Siamese Dream, Pisces, Adore, Machina, or Zeitgeist. Just very odd to me. That’s one of the reasons I’m so intrigued by the FR MCIS CDs. When you bought it, did you just think it was the NL version?

in my time of dying
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On Cool As Ice Cream wrote:

i can’t remember when i bought it, but i imagine i had no idea that they said \"france\" at that time and that i didn’t find out until later.

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On Sven wrote:

nonono
it’s like this
the disc was made in france
that what is says on my copy too, bought on the day of release
manufactured there, ok, that’s cool
delabel is a french subsidiary of hut in a way – dunno how exactly, but in a way
so delabel does the promotion for hut in france
now for a major release like mcis you’ll have to have multiple pressing plants to get the discs out there
so the european one was pressed/made in france
printed in holland (wasn’t it?)
and assembled god knows where
just try to check where ‘in rainbows’ was made for example – multiple pressing plants all over the world, a factory/publishing company for the booklets and hardback book, a pressing plant for the vinyl or better: several for these numbers so…
it was convenient to make this thing in france
and so it says
and delabel does the french promo
but doesn’t release
because it doesn’t hold release rights to the recordings
those are with Virgin and/or HUT
so well yeah – have the shit manufactured where you wanna – it’s still a release under Virgin and/or HUT
as delable doesn’t as far as i know hold any commercial release rigths to any of the Pumpkins catalogue
there will never be a commercial delabel release as such
those commercial rights are held by Virgin and/or HUT
and for promotional reasons i can see and understand a ‘license’ (not technically) to delabel
to promote the material in an orderly and local and eloquent fashion
but that doesn’t give delabel the right to release anything under their label
under these contracts at least

so yeah – delabel promo’s sure and awesome most of the time
commercial delabel releases, nope; these are controlled and held by Virgin and/or HUT

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On Cool As Ice Cream wrote:

heh, well said.
indeed, the french mellon collie doesn’t mention \"delabel\" at all.

most mellon collies were made in italy, holland and the uk, though.
i haven’t come across many french copies.

i even own a copy that was sealed and had a french sticker on it, but when i opened it, the cd said \"made in holland\". so even in france, at some time, they sold copies that were made elsewhere.

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Keymaster
On manillascissor wrote:

heh, well said.
indeed, the french mellon collie doesn’t mention "delabel" at all.

most mellon collies were made in italy, holland and the uk, though.
i haven’t come across many french copies.

i even own a copy that was sealed and had a french sticker on it, but when i opened it, the cd said "made in holland". so even in france, at some time, they sold copies that were made elsewhere.[/quote:18q521qn]

Yeah, see, that’s my point. It’s so freaking confusing.

Thanks for your post Sven. I understand what you are saying about Delabel not issuing commercial releases, but if you reread my post, that’s not what confuses me. What confuses me is why Virgin/Hut does not print in FR. Maybe FR has some sort of high cost associated with printing CDs. I guess MCIS was so successful, they printed some in FR regardless of the cost. But again, if printing discs in FR, why not call that out on the back insert? They did this for a few of the FR singles that were printed in FR (interestingly enough, from the MCIS album). Do you see what I’m saying? It’s inconsistent.

in my time of dying
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On Cool As Ice Cream wrote:

Regarding your question why they didn’t print in France more regularly: maybe they simply don’t need to? I can imagine printing in one country can be enough to cover all of Europe.
Or they just happen to have good deals with (or be the owner of?) pressing plants in other countries?
And you could also wonder why they stopped printing cds in Germany, after the very first release of Gish (CARCD16).

For me it’s not a very interesting question. It’s just the way it is.
I noticed a lot of the Warner stuff is printed in Germany. As for Virgin/Hut, it usually says UK, Holland or Italy. Or, in the later days, simply EU (which isn’t very informative, heh).

On a related note, check this one out: a commercial single that says \"Delabel\". :)

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Keymaster
On manillascissor wrote:

Yes, there we go. An example of a commercial release printed in FR. One that actually acknowledges it on the reverse sleeve.

I have a FR tonight, tonight single, but the only distinguishing factor is a sticker that says \"Made in France\". I don’t know, something’s up w/ FR.

in my time of dying
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On Cool As Ice Cream wrote:

here it is, finally: http://www.spfreaks.com/?page=COLLDETAILS&item=1966
i had to make pictures of the cds, because the scans of the cds are hardly readable (if even).

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On manillascissor wrote:

coolness.

in my time of dying
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On Arthur wrote:

My copy has Made in Holland on both the CDs. I’m sure Sven’s story is correct, about the assembly.

Billy Corgan, December 2, 2008 : "Not everyone understands our death trip. But you do. And that's what matters."
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On Cool As Ice Cream wrote:

did i look over it, or is spfreaks.com really missing the uk release of mcis on cd?

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On Arthur wrote:

did i look over it, or is spfreaks.com really missing the uk release of mcis on cd?[/quote:1wpcvxiu]
We don’t have it no.

Billy Corgan, December 2, 2008 : "Not everyone understands our death trip. But you do. And that's what matters."

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