Topic: Happy 10 Year Anv. of Adore Today!! June 2nd 2008
On 2008.06.02 at 11:04 pm amnesia wrote:
i thought i would take a moment to commemorate the 10 year anv of one of the best albums……ADORE!!!
i can’t belive it has been 10 years. man i feel old.
On 2008.06.03 at 12:55 am bullettwoutbutterflywings wrote:
June 02, 2008 – Billy comments on 10th anniversary of Adore release
Billy took some time to reflect and share some thoughts today in regards to Adore’s 10th anniversary.
From Billy Corgan:
I was surprised when someone mentioned to me that today was the 10th anniversary of the Adore album…my first thought was surprise that it had been that long since, and how quickly time passes…it seems like a long time ago and yet, in some strange ways, not that far back either…
recently, when we went in to record ‘Superchrist’, it was the first time I had been back to Sunset Sound studios since the completion of the Adore album…some of the same people still work there, and spoke very kindly to me of the time spent making that album…we were working in another room for ‘superchrist’, but I did ask to go to peek inside the other room where many of the songs were cut, and it’s funny how time can play tricks with your mind as far as the proportion of things…the tracking room was full of amps and guitars back then, and so empty it looked quite large…i could see in my mind’s eye the three of us sitting in a small circle recording ‘shame’, a song I had just written that morning…and playing take after take after take of ‘for Martha’, the band in the main room and me at the piano in the isolation booth, trying to reach them thru glass…
the reaction at the time of the album’s release, if memory serves me correctly, was overwhelming negative…it was a very naÃ¯ve thing to try to do, to make an album that sounded little like the one before, and which spoke very openly about mourning and loss…D’arcy in particular was very critical at the time of the decision to even call it a Pumpkins album, saying that it really should have been my first solo album…then I didn’t know what to think, because the hopes I placed on the album, mistaken as they were (that the band could be seen in a more open light that had more to do with artistry), were dashed in all the talk of what it didn’t sound like and how it was a failure thru and thru…and secretly yearned that the embrace of it would heal some of the wounds of my mothers death and probably honestly the death of the band as well…but none of that worked, none of it came true, and it has been a circuitous journey ever since…it does seem to be the demarcation point of what was, and what became, and what might be…the fact that after 10 years the album has found it’s warmer place here and there shows that it’s birth and death and re-birth are very much in line with the themes of the album…which is one of hope, and taking a chance that the moment lived properly is ultimately more important than in what gets written down later…
i lived that album quite deeply, and maybe that’s why I still can’t listen to it…and I can no longer blame anyone if they don’t either…it’s one of ‘those’, an ‘other’, something apart…and the pun of the title, crude as it is, serves quite simply:
Q: \"when is a door not a door?\"
A: \"when it is a jar\"
…see, bad joke…
Q: \"when is an album not an album?
A: \"when it is a-dore…\"
On 2008.06.03 at 1:56 am manillascissor wrote:
Interesting to know D’arcy suggested it be his first solo album. Very interesting. Not sure that would have gone over so well with the band, but then again, maybe the original lineup would still be around if that’s the course they took. Hmmmm………….
Still, my second favorite album of theirs, and second favorite genre to collect!
On 2008.06.03 at 5:58 am blueczarina wrote:
The Darcy bit was interesting.
Its one of my favorites too. Its such a beautiful album. I think those songs are some of the most deeply emotional songs in the whole SP catalogue. They are lovely to hear, but \"To Martha\" is such a sad song I never play it. Its like your hearing his heart break over his mothers death and its just too sad for me to listen to it.
Does anyone think Adore would have made a better first solo album than TFE?
I think it would have been better for him maybe. It certainly hits home more.
On 2008.06.03 at 7:47 am manillascissor wrote:
I guess it would have obviously made a better solo album, just based upon the strength of the songs. However, I believe it would have been dismissed as a load of crap at first and revisited later for the great album that it is. Much like TFE. People just love to hate on the Bill.
On 2008.06.03 at 8:42 am Cool As Ice Cream wrote:
i believe billy mentioned the d’arcy bit before, when he was writing his \"confessions\".
On 2008.06.03 at 4:18 pm blueczarina wrote:
i read his \"confessions\", but don’t remember that part. i’ll recheck though.
On 2008.06.03 at 4:34 pm Cool As Ice Cream wrote:
i do remember hearing/reading this before, so he must have mentioned it somewhere. i thought it was in the confessions, but maybe he mentioned it elsewhere.
On 2008.06.03 at 4:57 pm blueczarina wrote:
maybe, i know he talked about adore in his confessions. i’m not sure he mentioned that though. it could have been in some interview or something instead. i’ll check the confessions again later.
On 2008.06.03 at 5:53 pm bullettwoutbutterflywings wrote:
i was gonna say that i didn’t remember that from the \"confessions\" either. but there have been quite a few interviews and such on the subject, so he might have said it in one of those.
On 2008.06.04 at 1:07 pm jawn till dusk wrote:
I seem to remember D’arcy,in a T.V. interview that she was more than happy with the Adore album,which was strange as she never really said much about album content.
This was during album promotion to be fair and Billy probably told her not to open her mouth.
On 2008.06.04 at 1:13 pm bullettwoutbutterflywings wrote:
On 2008.06.12 at 8:06 pm amnesia wrote:
Ughh.10 years allready.Time flyes by fast.So actually this is my 10th anniversary as well ,as SP fan
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